Team National a scam

by team green
(Kansas City, MO)

Team national seems to have found good deals and is charging a ridiculous amount of money for the convenience.

Team National Is a MLM multi level marketing company that provides savings off the retail price. In almost all cases you would be able to find the same discount or better by searching the Internet.

Team National Scam is what the company should be called. Team National complaints are all over the internet . The Team National website doesn't provide people with information because they know that that the only way that they will be able to make people sign up is to put people in the pressure situations in which they feel like they are helping out their family and friends.

800 dollars plus is a lot to help out the family. When I searched for information about them asking for a list of discounts I notice that it really doesn't tell you much. Every term that I've searched to get to know about the experience of other people (team national scam, team national complaints, team national pyramid scheme, team national review, team national mlm scam) have found that nobody seems happy with the company.

The discounts that they provide aren't exlusive to being a member of Team National.

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Team National is shamtastic!
by: Anonymous

It's one of the worst scams I've ever seen and it has affected my family on a very deep level. They're selling nothing but the power of positive thinking and philosophies like, "how to make friends and influence people" and wrapping it in patriotic team spirit with wholesome Evangelical undertones.

I'm telling you anyone who says, "This is a no brainer" should run the other way. Or like the mole in the comment above me who repeats the same culty rhetoric, "It's all about you and your team and putting in the work" which actually means selling more hundred's and thousands of dollars shopping memberships to to anyone that they meet.

They also encourage the use of credit cards. Wonder if there's something to that? Anyways, I pray the masonic evil family who runs Team National get exposed and sued. Great American scam is what it is 🤮

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You get what you put in.
by: Anonymous

There are saving to be had. A lot of the comments are about big name places, those saving can be found anywhere once you do the research. Team National does that work for you on the smaller stuff. The big ticket items are newer like the health insurance, home and auto, and cell phone plans.

I got my money back on buying my wife's ring alone. Everything after that was just savings I got to keep in my own pocket. If you choose to share as my wife and I have started to do now, the money is there, but do not expect it to come easy.

It truly is a team, and to be overly successful, you have to have a working team.

I'm fortunate to be in the line that I am, but can understand why people would look down on it if they weren't willing to put in the work.

It's not a good investment if you're not willing to have a good work ethic or take the time to save the money. But what really is with that attitude?

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YES IT IS A SCAM!!!!
by: MICHAEL

If someone posts it is not a scam and you make money they are NOT members but sellers. If you sign up to say money like THEY sell it as you are being ripped off. I have many examples. Question asked "So is Walmart participating in these rebates? YES!! they do. So if I go to shop at Walmart I get 3-5% rebate. Yes you do! COOL we do all our grocery shopping there. (Only 2 supermarkets in town).

Find out after you join and get access to their website that it (Copy and paste from their website) No rebates are paid on:

Groceries (this includes order online and pick up at designated parking spots or ordering online and delivery to home and order online to pick up inside of Wal-Mart store)

Pharmacy (includes over the counter items)

Baby (includes, formula, baby food, diapers, and wipes)

Health, Beauty, and Wellness

Household Items

Wholesale

Travel

Financial Services

Tires

Wal-Mart Connect Internet Service

Gift Cards (includes e-gift cards)

Apple Products

Video game hardware

Bike and Outdoor

Every one of the companies on their rebate list has different restrictions and every month you have to activate every rebate again. If you forget you lose!! If you ask you team member who signs you up questions you get "Do you have any friends? co-workers? relatives to sign up? Lets conference call them."

I did not sign up to get rich quick. I signed up because we are rural and do more shopping online then most and wouldn't mind saving while shopping. If you order online you must go to their website first then be redirected to rebate companies website to get the rebate. No problem that makes sense, But there is always a but.

If you have another website open like maybe you are say comparing prices between two website it will sometimes not give you the rebate because one of the restrictions for that companies rebate is that you cannot have another web page open. So you will spend more time checking the rules than saving money because in America time is money.

I hope this helps someone else from falling into this trap

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No Scam
by: Anonymous

Team National is no scam. When we were working the business we made money. The savings are real too.

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TN Playing on the Bible for motivation.
by: Anonymous

I have seen videos on some of the conferences that this company holds. Any company that is going to use the word of God to help promote, and motivate their business is not a place any Christian should be associated with. Doesn’t matter if their system works or not.
Shame on you team national!

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Total waste of money
by: Anonymous

They offered 1-2% discounts at retailers like Home Depot, Best Buy, Enterprise. You'll do better on your own googling "discount/coupon retailer name". Total garbage. The worst is someone called me up to try to get me to be a distributor or some such nonsense title of their pyramid downline. They wanted me to sell my friends on this BS. Stay away.

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Question
by: Anonymous

Who is the Team National CEO and do they provide Amway products for you to use?

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Haters are going to hate
by: Anonymous

There is nothing illegal about this company and it is not a pyramid. Just because it may not be right for you doesn't make it bad business. These things take work and yes time but there is value and a chance to make good money.

It's not for the lazy, negative complainers and those that always think they get the shaft. Nobody want's those on their team anyway. So, please if you are contemplating joining Team National make up your own mind. Everyone has an opinion and entitled to it but at least have an open mind to something other than the same old same old.

If you don't like where you are then do something about it, whether it is Team National or some else. Maybe you need to change jobs but stop blaming everyone else for your own failures.

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Not Worth It
by: Anonymous

I was pushed by a friend to pay for a lifetime membership. I told him from the beginning that I was not interested in selling the product, but I would consider it to help him out. He stated that if I just bought 1 vehicle using Team National, I would pay for the membership.

2 different times, I have tried to use Team National to buy a new car. Even with the help of my expert friend, we were unable to get any kind of deal on a vehicle. The only "good" deals on cars that we found were cars that were not popular. No special deals could be found on the ones we were shopping for.

We have used the marketplace several times to shop for household items. We saved a little money, but the hassle factor made it almost not worth it. We haven't used the marketplace in quite awhile now for that reason.

I will try again when we decide to buy some furniture. Knowing what I know now, however, I would not have joined Team National. I can find just as good of deals by searching on the internet.

I am not a fan of the MLM concept. Some are better than others, but it seems unnecessary to me. If you have a good product, bring it to the public without the structure of an MLM.

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Great company
by: Mcgovern

I've been with the company almost 2 years and i am a very satisfied customer. I enjoy the website I find more and more every day as I look on the site new things added all the time. I learn more and I get excited. If I have any issues I contact my up-lead if I can't get a answer from customer service they find the answer for me. Within 24 hours.

No complaints here.

You can't earn if you don't use the website properly.

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It is only a scam IF
by: KK

If you don't use the membership then you will not save, and if you do not work the business you will not gain. But it is not a pushy business, I share it with people because I want to help them but if they don't like what they see then we can still go visit next week no hard feelings.

But yes there are lots of places now to save but do they pay you while you save? Do they offer savings on everything you do from tooth paste to house, car, medical sharing, cars and insurance, student loans and I could go on and on.

If you didn't work it and use the savings do not scam it.

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Your not looking in the right place for reviews
by: Anonymous

Facebook: Savings By Tn Members if you want "proof".

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Amazing company
by: Lisa

Best decision we ever made. You’d have to be living under a rock not to save money here. But you do have to use it. If you spend money on ANY membership and then don’t use it chances are pretty good you’ll think it wasn’t worth it.

My family has saved over $35k so far not including the $48k that my son is now going to save on his student loan. Do the math. $2195 went a long way.

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It’s not for the small minded or the unmotivated
by: Josh L.

We have been a part of team national for about 3 years. I still have a full time job, I still have bills to pay, my house isn’t paid off yet, but my life has never been better. The people we have partnered up with from downline to upline has become a second family. They have poured personal development and self growth to my wife and I, and just the benefits from that were worth what we paid to join and have paid dividends at my regular job because of the things I’ve picked up on this journey.

The savings are absolutely legit and have been awesome, we save around 900 dollars a year on att phones for a family of 4. We save a chunk on our auto insurance, airfare, hotels, a ton of big box stores, and I also get to walk in to my favorite sandwich shop in Lake Charles, get a buffi special, show my membership and get a free bag of chips and drink.

It’s the small things that excite me. The income side is also legitimate. I still work full time, but my wife doesn’t anymore. She was able to leave her full time job and two months later leave the part time job she had a Victoria Secret for the past 7 years.

It’s been great to and for my family, and definitely has changed my perception on life forever. All these negative reviews are from mentally growth challenged individuals who didn’t truly give their very best, life doesnt respond to need, it’s responds to deserve.

You will only get out what you put in, if you are looking for a get rich quick don’t wanna have to work hard for your dreams and don’t wanna work 9-5 then go home and build your fortune during your down time so you can retire at 40, then the income side is not for you, the savings are for everyone.

If you are motivated, hungry for success, and goal driven, then you can make an impact for generations and leave a legacy for your family.

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Investigating now.
by: Anonymous

Friends approached us. Asked some questions. Group discounts are a real saving, buying power is common in business. Does TN have enough savings to justify the membership. On the surface it looks like a yes.

When I spoke to them about justifying the sale through a better understanding of the products and discounts, I was quickly told we do not sell anything. Selling is a BAD word to them. Just like a Pyramid is a BAD word to many.

To make money you must SELL memberships. To save money you must buy items. If we save enough money the selling is justified. 5% seems to be the common savings. Can you save this on your own? Sure you can but who has time to sit and go through the internet to log in to all savings programs then keep track of them. I think this is the advantage to sell TN. Their sales strategy for memberships is quite organized like selling new cars, which I do not do but have gone to enough Dale Carnegie courses and Zig Ziggler training courses to spot a very well organized sales strategy.

That does not mean dishonest, sales is a noble profession. Is there bad ones, yes sir Bob there is but that is in everything. School is still out on TN being of value and if the value is big enough to justify the investment. We are open that if we can justify purchasing a membership then we can honestly justify this as a product we can SELL to people we know. This is selling plain and simple. If you can't sell do not do it. If you can, the concept of group discounts is great. For all of you making money on your opinions on the internet, you are the bigger scammers here.

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Team national meh
by: Anonymous

Team National is a damn scam but thank you Team National up liners for your comments pushing this stuff. You save as much as REWARD credit cards and Amazon. Lowes credit card has 5 percent back on ANY purchase! Amazon prime credits 5 percent back all day long.

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Where's the savings
by: Anonymous

After meeting with one of the program directors I decided to join the company. Once I carefully reviewed which retailers were offering rebates, I discovered I would make more of a profit with Ebates (which is totally free). I then would have to convince my friends and other associates that this is a financially sound investment.

I could not agree to go forth with this venture.
It may work for some but I just don't see where the savings is with the membership.

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Shame On those who Capitalize in the Name Of GOD
by: B4UcDlight

Your days are Numbered oh thee who scam thy friends.

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What an insult to decent human beings!!
by: Anonymous

Over a year ago I was called in for an interview for some customer service position at a local airport yet ended up taking an offer elsewhere and closer to home. Than a random day the same recruiter leaves a message on my answering machine telling me how sorry he was for not having me in his team.

He continues telling how impressed he was with whom I was and that he had a new great opportunity to offer at a much better salary. I fell for it and agreed to meet up.

He started talking about of how he crossed over joining a new company for the extra $$ still at the airport, same field, and that in his off time he was dedicated to what pulled him out of his debt

he had the whole show rolling. Cell phones, laptop, a couple of suitcases, written contracts-and other booklets.

Can’t even look into my eye while desperately tries to sell this rubbish so desperate for a sale and not realizing that those folks I got to listen over the phone are as pathetic as him and made even worse with their corporate speech.

The 2 Year’s deal runs for $750 + $55 recurring processing fee And $25 mandatory yearly fee. The lifetime membership is sold for $2200 + again $55 + the $25. They also have some payment plan that charges you 15% on each note until paid off. Also expect a confidentiality agreement document. Things that cannot be shared or spoken of after becoming a member that will include your family and friends.

These discounts offered aren’t better than any other retailer. 2% to 20% off. Honestly I get the same if not better through my employer. For you to make an income you must have a left and right side group. Each person you get to join counts for one or the other sides in turns. To make $1500 (there’s no other lesser amount) you must have at least 10 points in each side, left or right which means 10 new members PER group, or 10 new memberships per side.

In other words I’ll take you for ever to build your team.

Literally insulted by the whole proposal. Heard it before from some random travel membership/club and new solar energy club!

Yet people still fall for these scams.

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TN
by: Anonymous

So far we are 9 months into this venture. We have saved a little and made a little. You do not have to buy a membership to be an IMD so if you did and felt like you got burned then that's on you. You only get paid for your efforts.

You don't sell memberships then you don't get paid. You don't use the savings then you don't save. You have to use it to gain anything.

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T.N. is NOT a scam
by: Anonymous

Team National is NOT a scam. It also saves you TREMENDOUSLY on tons of items. Not to mention on insurances. Home, car, liability, AND medical. We have saved $12,000 a year on medical / hospitalization insurance and $3,000 a year on home / auto.

Not to mention there are so many savings on all household items, travel, vehicles, vacations, R.v, the list goes on and on. Also it is absolutely NOT a MLM SCAM !!! In a true MLM Only the PEOPLE at the top make money and you are almost always forced to buy products, even if you can't sell them.

That is NOT how it works with Team National. First of all people on the bottom have the ability to make more money then the people at the top. You can NOT do that in a true MLM which is why those are not legal. T.N. has been in business for over 20 years, they are triple A better business bureau rated, you do not have to sell it, that is completely optional, not to mention the fact that companies like, Lowe's, Wal-Mart, Veruzon, AT&T, Target (there are many more) are NOT going to be a part of something that is illegal, or going to ruin their name.

They have teams of lawyers go over things like this and if it wasn't legit they would NOT team up with T.N.. Another thing is maybe the team that you belong to sucks and wouldn't help build you, but you have no right to say thats how its done across the board.

Our own personal experience not to mention the experiences of everyone we know on other teams, is they do get help building and the folks above them did and do put people under them. Our guy that brought us in and the guys above him have ALL put a lot of people under us. It ONLY makes smart business sense. Lastly the only people that we have seen not do well at this if they CHOSE to become an IMD are the ones who think that success is magically going to fall into their laps and they dont put one ounce of work onto it.

You also do NOT have to work all the time to be successful. How little or how much you make is up to you with way less time put in than going to your job. It ONLY takes a little effort to make money and be successful.

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They get hurt if you tell them NO
by: Almost got dooped

My wife and I attended a TN persentation because a close friend of ours had just joined and was excited and invited us. We went and were both immediately put off by the presenter (a Gold level member). He did his part amd did it well and almost had me convinced. We agreed to fill out the paperwork to hold our spot as this is a pyramid and the higher up you are the more potential for earning you have.

We didn't have the 800+ dollars at the time either so he said to let him know when he could process the payment and we were good. We left the meeting and started doing our research, which I would encourage anyone to do, and nothing but bad reviews. The next day I contacted the presenter and asked him to return our paperwork so we could destroy it since it had our personal information on it, including bank information.

He imediatly started attacking my integrity and ethics, told me that I was a bad friend to the girl who invited me and also called me rude and accused me of waisting his time. At one point I felt like I was in a debate with my 13 year old son arguing because I told him no. He went on and on about Better Business Ratings which they do have an A+ but so does the company I currently work for.

Finally after about an hour of listening to him I reminded him that the company has a policy allowing individuals 3 days to change their minds at which point he made sure to get the last word and agreed to return the paperwork. It was easier just letting him feel he had won that continuing to engage in his nonsense. I found hard evidence that only about half of 1% earn enough money to not work a traditional job and more than 90% of the rest make nothing at all, in fact they lost money because they would buy things they normally would not just to justify the savings side.

Speaking of the savings, they dont tell you that you must pay retail prices and the savings are sent as a rebate check that has to be claimed as income and is taxed so there are NO real savings with the exception of the factory direct deals but you can get them elsewhere for free from other sources. I would advise anyone considering this to take your time and do some homework before jumping on board. I don't doubt there is money to be made but VERY few people who buy into this do.

The vast majority end up wasting their hard earned money and even loose friends because that's who TN wants you to target first.

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Are you people mad?
by: Jack Reacher

Roses are red,
violets are blue,
This is a scheme
Koo koo ka chew.

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Only if you actually buy this kind of stuff
by: Anonymous

I got talked into joining TN and at first it did seem like there were some savings to be had. I was not interested in the selling side of things. They have a good sales pitch, plus it was a friend selling and I have a hard time saying "no" much to my chagrin. So I signed up, spending money I didn't really have in the first place. I am poor.

It didn't take me long to realize "WAIT. I AM POOR. I DON'T EVER BUY NEW STUFF. I don't buy much of ANYTHING that they offered savings on. I'd have been way better off saving the $1200 and using it for just about anything else.

Appliances, furniture, vehicles? Like I'm gonna buy that stuff brand-new when I can get used ones in decent shape for less than half the price. I'm not only poor, I'm cheap as well. I rent, so no homeowner's insurance, home improvement supplies, etc.

When it came down to it, there was one retailer where I actually could take advantage of the savings - my monthly trip to Tractor Supply Co. to buy chicken food and dog food. For less than $100.

Not exactly worth the membership fee. Now if someone comes up with a way to save money on Craigslist ad, garage sale, flea market, thrift store, classified ad purchases I'd be interested.

I honestly feel really dumb for falling into this trap.

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Scam? Hardly!
by: Anonymous

I joined Team National just 6 months ago and I can honestly say that it was one of the best decisions of my life. When my friend approached me about Team National, I was as skeptical as they come. After I was shown the presentation, I waited on signing up and I researched TN on my own. I am a traditional business owner so I wanted to be sure it was all legit.

First of all, I have a wife and 3 kids in the driving age so my insurance was extremely expensive. Every 6 months, I go through the process of contacting my insurance company trying to get cheaper insurance. I call multiple other insurance companies for quotes as well. Well, my friend told me that he can get me a quote through an insurance company that was a Team National member.

The quote came back and they could save me a little over $2000 a year. Here is the best part, it was with the EXACT same insurance company, and the insurance had more coverage too! That is what ultimately sold me.

I also enrolled my traditional business in what they call The Business Exchange, which is thousands of local businesses all over the country and they offer discounts to TN members. Team National advertises your business to the hundreds of thousands of TN members for $100 a year. $100?!?!

Where can you advertise to that many people for that cheap of a price? In just 4 months of being enrolled to the business exchange, I have generated over $5000 in additional income at my business from TN members only and I offer all members a 10% discount. That has definitely got me excited.

I have found that there are a good bit of people I personally know that are members and they have saved a lot of money and are making a lot of money with the company as well. Team National is not for everyone. It depends on your spending habits on how much money you will save and how fast you will save it and it depends on your time put in to how much money you will make.

The best thing about this entire experience is the friends that I have made. That is invaluable! True, honest, and greatly caring individuals just trying to make a difference in the world. If you have doubts about joining Team National, I strongly recommend change your thinking.

For those of you that keep saying this is a Pyramid Scheme, I'm sorry but you are ignorant. Pyramids have been illegal for 40 years, and if you think that the hundreds of Fortune 100 and Fortune 500 companies that have partnered up with Team National (Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes, Target, Tractor Supply, etc.) would even think about getting into an illegal scheme, you are sadly mistaken.

This concept is similar to a Co-Op. Group buying power is what it is. When you personally meet people in this business and watch them grow and retire from their jobs at 35 years old, it makes you see the whole picture. Its DEFINITELY not a get rich quick scheme, but it is possible to get rich quick with Team National. Its part time work, not no time.

If you put forth some effort, you will get results. The more effort you put in, the better the results will be.

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Commodity
by: Anonymous

I met up with a member of TN and after offering the package to me I told them no. After that the member avoided me and treated me like a pariah since I didn't jump up in with his scam. He treated me like a commodity and when you don't play along with them then you're no use to them.

I have had several people say the same thing, you don't bag your friends just because you don't join in with their pyramid scheme.

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Save money but don't think there is BIG money to be made
by: Pam

I joined and made a few checks with hundreds and hundreds of hours of work. The "people helping people" thing was a scam - I did it all myself. Not one of my upline ever placed one single person under me.

When I decided to leave for another opportunity for a product that people actually WANT, they started sending me threatening certified letters stating that I have been reported attempting to recruit some of their people.

WOW. All I did was tell my upline not to keep texting and calling me - not sure what is recruiting about that.

I did not sign any type of non compete agreement with these crooks but they claim that I cannot talk to any TN IMDs for three years and they are considering litigation.

My daughter in college has even gotten the same letters. The Christian company threatening to sue my child.

Run far away from these people...

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Evangelicals
by: Anonymous

The fact that it's usually evangelicals or religious zealots pushing TN is interesting. They might get the water for the kool-aid from the same spring.

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😂😂😂😂
by: Anonymous

I love that people think they saved 😂😂 This program is simply a scam to sell memberships. You saved nothing more than you could have saved if doing the research yourself. You don't need a membership to do research. I always say if it's so good everyone would be doing it .... hint hint amazon.

Membership are not a new thing everyone knows that but save your money MLM is never a good membership and only a small % of people at the very top are making any kind of real money.

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BEWARE
by: Anonymous

BEWARE of Dr. Mike, IMD Mphs, TN. He is NOT an honest representative of this company and will LIE to get your money.

BEWARE!

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TEAM SCAM
by: Anonymous

This company is just like every other pyramid scheme. It's a joke. My husband and I were suckered into this company by people that we thought were our friends. They are bullies, the rebates are a joke and the only time someone was nice was when I called to cancel the membership.

DO NOT fall for any of the lines that they throw at you.

It's all lies.

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Your savings...
by: Anonymous

Your 'savings' are considered TAXABLE INCOME...that means, YOU PAY TAXES on the money you SUPPOSEDLY SAVE. I know FIRST HAND that some of the SALES INDIVIDUALS definitely LIE about what THEY SAY their family members SAVED...sometimes, they have videos of family members LYING about how much they saved on vehicles.

BEWARE ....just say NO!

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Ignorance is bliss
by: Chad

Saved 2500 a this year on home and auto insurance. These negative comments are most likely made by lazy people who got burned because they thought the money would just shower on them!

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NOT a scam! Great company! We love it!!
by: Scott Gondesen

We joined Team National about 6 months ago. We saved the cost of our premium membership in the first two months doing our Christmas shopping, and have already earned commission checks to create positive cashflow for our family. We also won a free cruise with a balcony suite and had the time of our lives getting to know more people in this awesome company.

Team National is an extremely ethical company. They are recognized by the Direct Selling Association and the Better Business Bureau. The CEO also chairs the ethics committee for the DSA. In my experience, people who have bad things to say either don't understand what the company is about, or are too lazy to try and would rather just bash other people's success who actually work for it.

There is nothing wrong with MLM, either. It's no different than having a regular job and trying to work your way to the top. The folks at the bottom are making money for leaders in any company. However, the big difference with TN is that ANYONE has the ability to rise to the top. It doesn't take a college degree, or kissing up to the boss to get ahead.

It just takes putting in some work that is fun and helps others. The top leaders are everyday people who are some of the finest and most honest individuals I have ever known. TN is like a family or a brotherhood of sorts. We look out for each other, we help each other, we do life together. To understand how awesome it is, you just have to join up and try it out.

For anyone that joined that feels they are not getting their money's worth, or who are skeptical but want more information, please contact us and we will be happy to help. Visit our website at www.gondesen.com for more information on how to contact us.

Blessings and peace,

Scott G.

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Best investment for a lifetime
by: Anonymous

We have already saved what we paid for the membership in a couple of months!! Then the exciting part is getting checks on Mondays just by sharing our new life. I was one of the non believers!

My husband saw where he could leave a legacy to our children and grandchildren many years from now. Well we are seeing it now!! I was the one that blamed others, I was the one that thought life was working Mon-Fri and having 2 days to spend with family, that's just life!

Thank GOD my husband wanted a change in our household. We went down a different path, a different curvy road, a road others think that it would be weird, a road less traveled!!

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Show actual savings up front
by: Anonymous

If the percentage of savings is so good why don't they let you see it before you become a member?

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Old warhorse buyers club scam
by: Anonymous

Save your money and do NOT join up with Team National. $2200 for lifetime family scambership. No real savings exist. It is a sleazy MLM with very active folks that pepper sites like this with glowing reviews.

This is one of the granddaddy schemes. Pay now for big savings later.

They don't exist.

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Skeptic turned believer by using the product
by: Anonymous

My husband bought the savings plan 6 months ago. I was like, "meh..." I'm a very skeptical person. So I didn't look at it, use it, figured if it was network marketing it couldn't be a viable product.

But then needed to spend money on car rentals, car repairs, and home furnishings. Well, I was WRONG about Team National. I saved a chunk of money, and I compared prices, leaving no rock unturned! I then started following a Facebook page "Savings by TN Members, " and realized the posts were not hyped or fabricated.

I understand the cynicism, I was too. And as in any large organization, you have happy customers and some not so happy. Happy employees, some not so happy. Though I guarantee that most TN membership holders that actually use the website are satisfied customers. Real True savings.

Now I'm looking into the money that can be made referring it. Mind blowing.

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Bottom feeders pay the price
by: Anonymous

I am watching family members fall for this hook line and sinker while losing their retirement income buying rubbish they don't need, to be able to say how much they saved as I see photos of the top dogs in Tuscany.

And look who is paying for their luxury trips. The bottom feeders. I honestly don't know how people can be so gullible. Sad but it has caused a rip in the family. That in itself is a cost that the bottom feeders aren't reporting.

Losing family and friends.

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No Easy Money in MLM Scams
by: Anonymous

I will never understand the gullibility of people that I consider intelligent getting involved in multi-level marketing - network marketing schemes (i.e. pyramid schemes).

At the risk of 'stepping on toes' of friends, colleagues and relatives people seldom 'tell the truth' to victims and perpetrators of these bogus plans. Most of the victims and the perpetrators are one and the same persons. This subject is seldom discussed publicly.

This editorial comes on the heels of the king of MLM, Amway, being brought to trial for its lies, frauds, and scams. Amway is merely a well known MLM company being exposed for what it really is. However, countless MLM companies have faded away without fanfare and many of these were guilty of far more crimes than Amway.

Most people have been involved in an MLM scam at one time or another. I have been involved in a couple in the past too. Common sense, for most of us that have been led down this primrose path of lies, tells us from experience this 'crap' simply doesn't work, or pay off.

Some of the best products in the world have been developed or promoted by MLM companies. The sheer success of a good product in an MLM company is one reason for the company's failure.

The 'marketing plan' is based on a mathematical algorithm doomed to failure. As such, the excellent products have disappeared into oblivion.
The first 'hook' to get a person to listen to the MLM lie is the speech of how you are going into business for yourself, how you are going to empower your life and your income, how you are going to create a 'residual' income for life for you and your family, and how much money you are going to make. These masters of mind control actually convince people that they are taking control of their future and their income. It's all a lie.

Empowerment is the word or the concept they use to manipulate people into believing in this pyramid scheme. Many believe in these schemes like a cultish religion, chasing one failed scheme after another, never learning their lesson. These people are NOT stupid, in fact they are usually intelligent people, but have been brainwashed through the sales hype and through greed.

Even having experienced failure after failure of MLM pyramids, wasting countless hours for a failed company, wasting their lives on failed schemes, they are so deluded, like 'dogs returning to their own vomit,' they seek out another MLM scam to be involved in.

MLM pyramids are simply an illusion of success and empowerment. You will hear of the 'matrix' and how this matrix will force people under your level in the pyramid to finance you for life. MLM (network marketing, pyramids) advocates promote an illogical illusion based on their own delusions. Mathematically the entire marketing scheme and scam is destined to fail.

The marketing plan changes all the time! Why? The changes are always presented to the marketers as in their best interests and so they will make more commission. None stop to think that changing of the plan is due to failure of the existing plan. If they increase the commission rate, it usually means the company is not growing and the increased rate is to encourage marketers to bring in more people at the bottom level to feed the top level. When the company decreases the rate of commission or earnings, the company is at 'critical mass' internally and financially.

They are discouraging growth -- they can no longer meet their obligations. Commission checks start arriving late.

MLM companies, successful products or not, are doomed to fail. Most of these MLM companies are created, set up, and run by the same people, over and over again. They are professional con-artists, in that they know that all the profits really go to the top of the pyramid, where they hold the top spots. The top of the pyramid is usually a close knitted clique that is making huge amounts from all the work of the middle of the pyramid workers. They throw out a bone to upper middle pyramid workers every month or so. This is their 'token' winners to prove to the lower slaves in the pyramid that the scheme works.
When they 'finish' off one MLM company, they go and create a new one to scam the slaves with.

They are good speakers - good at mind control, mass persuasion, and manipulation.

Ethics is not a concept used in MLM companies. For however they present their plan, how honest they think they are, the MLM scheme cannot succeed. It is unethical to sell dreams to a needy and poor public. Dreams of success in income, residuals, retirement, and so on are unethical methods to move overpriced products into the garages around the country.

Con-artists appeal to the base needs of people, utilizing Maslo's hierarchy of needs. So do MLM companies. Using Maslo's chart to fulfill a need is not unethical, but to appeal to those needs to provide nothing but a lie is unethical and should be illegal. It is certainly immoral.

Take the MLM presenter showing the chart the company has provided for instance. They show you the pyramid and elaborate for hours on how theirs is not truly a pyramid. It's another lie. Regardless of how wide the base of the pyramid is, it is still a pyramid. Once the pyramid, the bottom level is larger than the resources of the company, the chart is a fraud. They are presenting a marketing scheme that is never going to be achievable.

Instead of empowering a person the MLM company is enslaving the person. The company is using the 'MLM' distributors' investment, resources, marketing abilities, and other talents FOR FREE. They don't stop and put a pencil to the math used to create the so-called MLM marketing setup. The algorithm reaches out to infinity. To overcome this, MLM con-artists paint a false picture of reality, a false picture of success. They create a 'family' which becomes very cultish.

If everyone in the cult 'believes' then everyone gives the appearance of success, when in fact they have been cheated out of their talents and their labors. I am all for people taking back control of their lives and their way of making a living. I am all for a person's self empowerment.

It will not be found in MLM scams.

The tenant of the wise consumer remains: "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."
Don't sell your independence, your control, your power to any MLM type scheme. Don't give up control of your own destiny. Don't give up control of your own income to a promise that can be nothing but a lie. The answer for self empowerment does not lie in false promises and lies.

I found this empowerment years ago when I got tired of climbing the corporate ladders and playing the games to get ahead. Make an objective list of your talents. Find out what you do that is equal or better than most people can do. Everyone has a saleable talent or skill. Locate your niche in the marketplace and go after your share. Expect to fail and fail again at first, but keep your eye on YOUR OWN GOAL and keep going after it until you succeed.

This is not only the answer and cure for you and your family; this is the cure for what is wrong in America. I know many people will be mad or shocked that an editorial of this nature has been written, but I challenge them to take a good hard look at the experience rate of success of MLM schemes.

It's not a pretty picture, but one of failure after failure.

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Scam
by: Anonymous

They paint this pretty picture that you get these big time discounts on new vehicle purchases....it's a joke. $200 under invoice, bought at invoice, etc. etc. etc.

Guess what, I work in the automotive industry and sell new GMC and Buick vehicles at $1,000 to $1,500 under invoice all day every day while team national members assume they are getting a great deal purchasing at invoice, they are actually over paying by $1,000 to $1,500.

Stop falling for this people. It's the biggest scam in the country! Send me a customer that I sell at invoice or $200 under invoice and I'll personally pay you $200 for everyone you send me.

At those numbers the profits are still there! C'mon guys, take the blinders off!

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Team National
by: Anonymous

I joined TN 4 months ago but not for the income side of the business just for the savings side. In 4 months I have already saved more than the life time membership cost.

Home insurance, car insurance, furniture for my basement, and appliances. Clothes, shoes for my kids, etc., I will say that with anything you need to work at it and that includes the savings part as well.

Shop and compare and then see what price is better. In most cases I found TN was better but not in all cases.

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STAY AWAY FROM THIS SCAM!!
by: King

People that sell this crap need to learn a real marketable skill so they can offer some sort of valuable service to consumers instead of just trying to scam people.

We checked out the "savings" you're supposed to get with a Team National membership and they are a joke! You'd have to spend $44,000 to get your $2,200 investment back.

You're much better off watching for sales.

And... They do plaster God all over it - RED FLAG!!!

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Savings and Earnings paid for my Membership
by: Todd Harold

We joined TN March 2015. Two years ago we roofed our house with material from Home Depot at a cost of $4850.00 (+ tax and no cash back), we had gone to Walmart countless times and spent way more then we originally planned to, as we all do.

I buy all my auto supplies at Advance Auto(I'd spent about $12,500 in 2 years before TN,as I build engines and do other mechanical work). I had also been paying $225.00 for 30 GB of data at ATT.

Now here is what I have saved at these stores since March of this year. I built two sheds for my backyard( Home Depot $3600.00 @ 5%=$180.00),ordered online from Walmart and I have received $48 commission and $12.50 pending,I've built one engine and One transmission and saved $128.00 at Advance Auto. I am now saving $40.50 a month at ATT for the data plan(May and June so far). I bought the $795.00 package in March and already saved about $500.00 including of course the $360.00 mentioned here( I've got commission from Footlocker, Under Armour, Sears,etc.).

In Two years we are going to save $972.00 at ATT alone, no telling what I'll save at Walmart and Advance. Also, we have received our first $500.00 check (12.3 and 6) and $125 from hosting. I'll see my $1000.00 within a month (I hope).

This is first a savings membership, so if you earn $20.000.00/ year, do not expect to save $3,000.00 shopping at Walmart, but buy a automobile with that money and yes you could save the $3,000.00 with the TN Auto Mall.

Now... with the earning potential,it does not matter if you make 20K a year or 200K a year, every person has the same opportunity at reaching their financial goals.

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I love Team National
by: Anonymous

I joined three months ago and have already made my money back in savings. Even if you don't use it as a business, you can make your money back in savings in a short amount of time.

I find it hard to believe that opportunists to pay 1/3 of retail on large purchases are just rampant. With Team National, they are real.

My opinion is that anyone who says anything negative has not really looked into it very well and has not looked for savings opportunities.

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Team national member
by: Anonymous

I joined Team National about 3 months ago and have attempted to save money with several purchases only to research and find better savings elsewhere.

The money making potential is real and cannot argue that but the savings is minimal at best. Anyone can find out the invoice price list of a car and that is all they promise. None of my team national IM's can prove the insurance savings as none of them are using it because they cannot save on the insurance with them.

Be aware that this is in no doubt about making money. What other company would only give you 3 days to get out, when it takes 10 days to get your site up and running. Then and only then will you find out the savings is minimal and then it to late to get out.

Dont think just because of the testimonials that by only talking with a few friends and family that you will build the buisness, you are encouraged to make a list of everyone you know, did know, or can remember to try to get in. If you are ok with getting people in to save a little, call a lot of people and cloud the truth long enough to get a sale then this is for you, but not for me.

Would love to get my 2000 dollars back and the money of the one person I talked into getting in before I knew what I know now! The Furniture can be found at multiple warehouse outlets online with free shipping and around the same price if not cheaper by 10 to twenty dollars add that to the price of shipping and handling charged by team national and that is at least 120 dollars cheaper than team national.

They want you to start inviting people over to get downline of you before you even have your website up so you will get hooked on the thrill of the sale and forget about the trying to save money.

If you can live with that carry on my friend....

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Team National seems legit to us...
by: Anonymous

Hi, My wife and I joined around April of last year. While not pursuing the biz side a whole lot I understand we have 22 members already in one of the two teams they would like you to build.

That said, a few months after joining checks from our purchases started coming in, some for over $100 and some for $200 plus and they keep coming, soon we will have paid for the larger membership and should save at least $7,000 within a year or 15 months of joining.

It does all work and the discounts, with some exceptions are the best we have seen, including on the net, 6% at home depot, then we use a Discover card and get another percentage and getting perhaps around 10% off!....It works....go to: bign.com/ewing and look at the videos....

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Appreciate your honesty
by: Anonymous

A friend is trying to pressure us into this "opportunity", and before meeting with him we searched the internet. Thanks to your comments and others who are straightforward, we have been saved from getting involved in this "opportunity".

It appears all the positive comments are from Team National participants who want to keep selling their memberships so they put on a happy face.

Thank You!

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Your research is a joke
by: Robert Beasley

We joined team national over 2 years ago. We got their highest package and have saved 3 times that package. The first week in the company we saved over $1,200 in insurance alone.

We are saving money every month on items we are already buying not items we have to buy in order to save money. People like you and this website gives out false information to mislead people and for them to chose not to set their family and friends free from living a life that is consumed from worry and stress.

Check the Better Business Bureau and you will see that Team National has the highest rating that can be achieved which is A+. If people would get facts before they speak they would not continue to spread lies. A company that standards state to be successful you must have these in order to be successful:GOD,Family and than Team National can never be wrong or unsuccessful.

I will pray that all of those looking for an opportunity will look before judging our company. If you can't formulate your own opinion than someone else has control over your mind.

GOD bless all.

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Our Experience
by: Dean n Missy

My wife and I have been very satisfied customers of Team National for 18 months. We have saved over $10,000.00 on purchases that we were already going to make at the same places!

We also have earned over $10,000.00 and have helped hundreds of families and business owners save and earn thousands. For the naysayers, YES just like any business venture you do have to put forth an effort to earn an income.

Don't be foolish to think that the checks just roll in because you started a business!! The savings have been awesome and the earnings have allowed us choices in our lives but helping others in this down economy has been HEARTFELT!

As an added extra the membership and all business expenses are available as tax write offs because you now are a business owner! The people are very positively motivated with a burning desire to help others!

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Not a Scam
by: Anonymous

You are incorrect. The furniture is factory direct(about 70% off retai) and you can get cars for dealer invoice or below.

Also, they offer a Sears commercial deal that is 15-25% off Sears website. Its a fantastic Company with an A plus Better Business Bureau rating, and endorsed by Christian author/speaker John Maxwell.

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